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I actually like these fellow bloggers for we have much in common. ;)
A couple of blogging acquaintances or friends(hopefully) have made me aware of how important it is for some people to have a label to describe themselves. These wonderful people, Gucci and Sage like themselves to be known as Conservatives. Now, I can probably agree with them on some of their political views how they might be able to see themselves in such a light but I am a little mystified when it comes to some of their actual behaviours. You see outside of their politics they sure do seem pretty liberal as evidenced by these Interesting and Conservative posts. Well, I wonder what Real Republicans like good ole Ronald and Nancy would think of this behaviour, seems to me Conservative wouldnt be the first word to come to mind.
One thing I have come to realize in my few short years is that Labels don't do us Justice. We are so richly layered with beliefs and behaviours, that trying to encapsulate it with words such as Democrat, Liberal, Conservative or Republican seem to fail miserably. It seems my new friends think of me as a Liberal and in some ways my behaviours reflect that but deep down inside I guess Im just a small "c" conservative. Afterall, I sure do like some Titties.
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What do Sage and I do in our real lives that is so liberal, my love? I'm desperate to know what you mean.
I've never thought you're a liberal as much as I think you enjoy playing Devil's advocate. It's also quite fun to get under Sage's delicate skin. I've got your number.
And if you are so enamored of, ah, "titties" as you so beautifully turned the phrase, stop by my place today. The Boob Balance Challenge is on.
Oh! I just clicked the links. It all becomes clear. You are a devious little man, my love.
I'm going to let you in on a little secret. Conservatives like sex too. And we are very far from boring. As you can clearly see from our posts.
Never said you were boring. Far from it actually. Its just youre not so conservative either, as evidenced by these 2 definitions.
Conservative
Adjective: traditional in style or manner; avoiding novelty or showiness
Noun: a person who is conservative in principles, actions, habits, etc.
And Mama, we both know its more than sex that shows your liberal side.
I've tried to adopt a mixture of everything in my life.
I like to think of myself as:
A fiscal conservative.
A social liberal.
And a sexual anarchist.
I do not have a liberal side, baby. I can't help it this body was made for love. Ronald Reagan totally would have wanted me. I could have balanced his riding boots on my chest.
But, out of curiosity, what else do you think shows my "liberal side"?
CAme by from Gucci's place and I must insert my 2 cents in. When one considers Conservative we all think buttoned to the neck white collar and we don't discuss sex or even display sexuality.. because one would be basing that opinion off of many religious based ideals of what conservatism is. Which of course they base off of a MAN's idea of what a woman should or should not do in their opinion of what God said. Wanna know what God says about sex read Song of Solomon, the hottest most erotic book in the bible.I am a conservative. Behavior should not label us as one or the other, it is what we THINK that does. Unfortunately we chose tolabel others based on OUR viewpoints on what they SHOULD behave like, and considering that is the behavior that brought Jesus to earth and mad ehim hang on the cross, to end people judging one another based on THEIR ideals of how we should behave, one would think we would have gotten the hint that we are ALL different. But in the end we are all human.
My take is some different than the label represents. I am surely a conservative in my private life but my political views are actually more libertarian. If I had to make a political statement espousing my political take it would be "Provided one doesn't take rights away from me or others, hurt children or cost me money IDGAF what they do". If they would exempt me from paying taxes I would probably not care what happened in politics. When everything is run through my filter (statement) my take becomes clear and easy to follow. I do like titties though but am more of an ass man if forced to choose. Though I do prefer mouth and eyes to either!
Sage
My wife is curious to know if what you post on your site is only your "public" life, if so your "personal" life must be far from conservative. ;)
Gucci
Behaviours count, speech, clothing, what you drive. They all point to a Liberal side. Dont worry, I deal with people in Denial all the time. ;)
Angel
Dont bring the bible in to this conversation, you may find I'm a little well versed on what it actually says. :)
Thanks for stopping by though.
I don't quite get the question. Conservative in my private life fiscally. The social part makes me conservative too, I am 100% for personal responsibility, paying my own way, paying my debts, earning what and keeping what is mine. I do not wish to try to control other peoples behavior though, provided it doesn't cost me money. I don't care who sleeps with who or what etc. Run everything through the filter and you can find every stance of mine. If someone wants to discuss social issues outside of if I care or not, I will and just apply common sense, so I can discuss it even if I don't care, again reinforcing the conservative stance I guess.
It is not lost on me that "Tit" had a question n the "Titties" post!
I drive a gigantic luxury SUV. I think it gets about 13 miles to the gallon. Al Gore would probably want someone to set it on fire.
Speech as in what? Because I say "fuck" sometimes? I am allowed to say that here? Even conservatives are allowed profanity once in awhile.
Clothing? You peeking in my windows? Let me know next time you're over here; I'll let you in. You can take a look inside my closets. Surely there's not a fair minded, fellow man loving, wealth distributing liberal who has such a ridiculous shoe collection. Why, I could surely feed an entire African village for a year with what I spent on two pair of shoes last week. I should stop being so greedy.
I get what he means. Just sayin.
But I like your post and agree to a degree that we can't really be defined with such narrow labels as conservative and liberal.
Thanks Shelle
Mama knows it too, but like me with my "Conservative" side, she likes to play coy with her "Liberal" side.
By the way Mama, did you censor me at your place, I left a comment and it didnt show up?
On which post? I always publish your comments, love. I don't have anything in my email from you at all today.
And I maintain that I absolutely do not have a liberal side. ;)
You guys are great! I'm coming here for the good conversations.
I feel a little cheated cause Tit didn't comment on my reply to her questions.
Shell: You said "I get what he means" who is he?
I agree narrow definitions are tough but in Tats defense to do a political blog post you have to generalize or nobody would read 22 chapters, and that is what it would take to specify. I fight that with all my political posts.
Hey Sage
What Tit was getting at was that if what you show on your blog is public then obviously your even more Liberal in your private life. ;)
Sorry bud, youre not a Conservative, youre just a freaking Capitalist. Leeeeee gooo of my money.
I'm not in to politics but I do like titties i.e. boobs i.e. funbags i.e. breasts i.e. melons i.e. whatever you wanna call 'em.
"You're not a Conservative, youre just a freaking Capitalist."
Really? THAT'S what you've taken away from everything Sage has said? Wow. I'm quite surprised by that, my dear.
I'm not sure why the sex thing and the politics are so intertwined for you.
I'm not sure why the sex thing and the politics are so intertwined for you(Mama)
Come on sweetie, Like you, Ive been getting fucked for years by the friendly neighbourhood government. I just get a kick out of the people who think their idea of Government will fuck them better. ;)
Yes. I too have had ideas about what would fuck me better (or perhaps worse...who knows?) than what's currently and most unpleasantly fucking me.
Interesting take.
lol, well if youre gonna play the game ya gotta take one for the team I guess. :(
I don't follow.
You belong to a democracy right? You got married right? If you decide to play some days youre gonna get fucked. Like it or not.
So I should just accept that instead of trying to change it? I should just keep bending over and getting fucked when I can see a clear way to a better future? That's not a life I want to live. No way. That's what being conservative is all about, politically, financially, and personally. Bettering your situation so the fucking becomes something that's welcome and enjoyable instead of, you know, rape.
Come on Mama, your words dont always match your actions. You get that dont ya? I didnt say you stay down but I do say some days you have to acknowledge the fact that you are down. Conservatives lie down just as often as Liberals. Huffing and Puffing sometimes just leaves you winded. Be as smart as you say and maybe I will hear ya.
Jesus Christ. Now we're getting a wee bit personal, aren't we? I guess that'll teach me who to reveal myself to. My words always match my actions. I have spent more time down than you can possibly fucking imagine, but instead of (as a liberal would do, you might say) relying on someone else to feed me, wipe my ass, give me a sponge bath, and wallow with me in my misery, I have picked myself up and made the best of my situation as I work on either fixing it or getting out of it. I've done this with respect to my politics, my finances, and my personal life.
I don't know what you think you know of me or what you've read that I've written makes you think that I don't practice what I preach, so I suppose reiterating that I do isn't going to do any good. But if that's what you think, you don't know a damn thing about me.
If all I have to base my opinion of you on is your blog I can easily say many of your actions are not Conservative. You can try to spin that any way you like but the reality is just that. Go check the definition of Conservative and you will see it is not just about abortion or money and such. Actions and behaviours do play a part. Now, am I saying you are a bad person because of this, nope, not even close. Like I said in my post, I kind of like you, in a perverse sort of Liberal way.........or was that Conservative. :)
I know what it is and isn't about. I also know that I don't have to wear long dresses and keep my hair covered and walk two steps behind a man to be a conservative. I'm not sure why people are so threatened by bold, attractive, intelligent, conservative females. I'm not sure why we confound people so much. I'm not sure why people constantly try to undermine us, discredit us, or tell us we really aren't what we think we are. That's one thing I'll freely admit not being able to understand.
Mama
I will agree with you on this point. You believe what you believe. Youre still pretty cool. lol.
So did you know, Denial is a river in Egypt. :)
I'm very cool. You'd be surprised by the depth of my knowledge, love.
Barry Goldwater, now that was a conservative !
To be a good conservative, one must pay homage to our liberal roots. Yes, the founders of The Good Ole USA were LIBERALS.
jesus Mac, and here I thought you were a Conservative on your Japanese Harley Davidson. ;)
Not liberals as we define them today, Mac.
I used to be a "republican" till I defected. I now consider myself a liberal. Honestly prev when I thought i was a republican, I dont think it was actually my view but what i followed from my parents.
Now that I am older I have personally chosen to be a liberal.
Excellent post!
Right you are Gucci Mama.
Just like conservatives, as we define them today, aren't really that conservative.... George Bush anyone???
Hmmmm It seems to me that some people have a twisted sense of Conservative. Tat, there has been poll after poll after poll taken about sex and politics. Every single time conservatives score far better on satisfaction during sex and all questions like that. It is never even close.
I am super conservative on fiscal things. I could care less what people do in their personal lives.
Because people want to fuck doesn't make them liberal. What makes them liberal is the inability to take full responsibility to the fall out fro fucking. If GM fucks everything out there and it doesn't effect me then I'm good with it. If she has 4 kids by 4 different baby daddys and I have to fund those bastard kids (like I would if she was a liberal) then that isn't acceptable. If I have to fund her desire to end a viable human life then that effects me.
Mac is stunningly confused. As we define them today the founders were to the right of Reagan. And NO W was NOT a conservative but as we now know he was exponentially better than CLinton, carter or obama. Yes I didn't capitalize the two worst presidents in history on purpose. Any student of history agrees with me 100%. If you have a gov't school education you might have doubts though.
Soccer Mom confuses me. Usually people turn more conservative when they learn to read. Surely when they age. Not hating that is just the trend.
For me I couldn't give a fuck what someone does when the doors are closed, I will state again, if it doesn't cost me money (all liberal social issues) and it doesn't take away rights (all liberal political stances) and hurt kids (the main political Liberal stance) then I could care less. Run my takes through the filter and you will be square.
GM, baby do you wanna run away with a real man?
Well, Southern Sage your got at least one thing right. Over the last 5 years almost every politician that has been caught cheating on their spouse has been "conservative". So I'm definitely in no position to question the validity of the sex and politics polls that you are referencing. The ratio is astounding! :)
Damn you can't know how much I love me some simpletons!!!
Of course they do. They are by far the most desireable and the most virile vigorous and potent.
What is a fact that only two national politicians have been credibly accused of rape though, WJ Clinton and Al Gore. Of course they have to rape, who would fuck people so damn dumb?
Its an easy one Slim. They have to take it, they couldn't get it otherwise.
Hmmm... for some reason I expected much more. My fault! I will take full responsibility for that one.
Well I'm sorry to not have met your expectations. I figured the absolute facts would have been enough. I can embellish something if that is what you desire, I realize American liberals prefer lies and distortions. I should have known better than to relate the obvious and the factual truth. It seems to be lost on American Libs.
Sorry Champ, I'll dumb it down next time.
I always get a kick out of the real men who look like Clint or would that by Josey. ;)
LOL
since I was like 14 folks have been telling me I looked like him, the only 2 people I get compared to are him and Tim Mcgraw. They have one thing in common with me, blue squinty eyes. Outside of that nothing. Well they both wear cowboy hats, which of course I do.
I will say this. I am not a metrosexual but if I had to throw a man crush it would be for Josey. I tried to name my son Joseph (my grandfathers name) Zachary and call him Jozy....... yeah its that bad.
My bride found it out though and nixed it before I could get him properly named!
Oooo... Southern Sage. That's exactly what I expected of you. Much better. But your ass-umptions were all wrong. You need to contact your absolute fact checkers. They are not as absolutely accurate as you think them to be. Probably not the first time. Definitely won't be the last time. But I'm not a "liberal" I actually agreed with a lot of what you said. I just thought I would comment on a problem that a lot of right and left wingers have... stating opinion as fact. But carry on. I'm sure you have some other "I'm better than you" insult to insert here.
Sage, love, can you honestly see me with four kids and from four different men? 'Twas a very cute little analogy though. I usually love everything you say, Real Man.
Speaking of, I think you know that if there is one man in all of the internet who could convince me to take a walk on the wild side, he would be you. Take me away anytime, Cowboy.
Since conservatives have super hot sex, we could probably set the room on fire, hmm? We can talk about how much smarter we are than everyone else between couplings.
I'm not having your baby though. Had enough of those.
Que: I don't care about your politics. I just want to be sure everyone is accurate. All I did was state facts. If you agree then good, if you don't then please opine! I think we have my man Tats permission to hash it out here and now!
I'm never mad or upset by doubters, be it you him or even a hottie. I just hate when people see it outside of the factual.
That can be politics, football, strippers or otherwise. It is my charge to make sure folks see it properly!
I see where your problem lies, Sage. You seem blind to the fact that Obama inheireted this mess from W.
Yeah, I said it.
The man is a fucking mess. He bankrupted every company his daddy ever set him up with, minus, of course the ball club, and that was close. I don't suppose it should be a surprise he bankrupted The USA.
As for Clnton, I didn't care much for him either. But, under his watch, we were in much better care fiscally than we were with W, or Daddy Bush, or Reagan before him. If one were to use a scale, fiscally, Clinton would be slightly to the right of W !
Personally, I think you are funnier than shit, Sage. I mean it. I've seen your comments around and read your blog a few times. It's good stuff :-)
Gucci Mamma, you do have some nice boobage. I like 'em
However, I see you (both) painting all things liberal with the same brush you seem to not like T4T using on you. Wassup with that ?
Mac Mac Mac. I do love me some liberals!!! I thank God (or darwin if your mom was a gorilla or you are a liberal)for you people!!! We do agree that obama is a mess! I mean nobody can deny that. Some idiots say Bush bankrupted the country then they have to eat crow since obama got in there. I mean how can anyone with a double digit IQ claim Bush to be worse when obama quadrupled down on the bankrupting. You weren't dumb enough to suggest that were you?
I mean some things are straight facts. Check for me the debt when the repubs were in congress under Bush. Then check the same stat when the Dems were in there. Check every single time the Dems were in with a Dem president. Clintons economy was dog ass until Newt started running the economy. Carter with Dem congress, dog ass. obama with Dems dog ass economy. Why is it every time Dems run the money the economy is dog ass? Bush 1, Dems congress, yup dog ass. Dang I guess if someone had one lick of intellectual integrity they would have to admit every time in my 38 years the Dems were in congress the economy was dogass. NOBODY with common sense would ever ever ever vote that way, unless they are like dog ass.
What was the unemployment under Bush? What is it under obama?
You are right, obama was a much better CEO than W. I mean let me list the companies he ran.... oopops never mind that. He did good in all the jobs he had, I'll list them now..........
there ya go. Some people were so fucking stupid they voted for someone who never had a job.
I will agree that clinton and Bush were very very like in their takes. I will also agree that THE WHOLE TIME the Reps held congress the economy the economy was good! We are in agreement there. No wonder we are both too smart than to ever vote for a Democrat. Man I am with you, fist bump me please! I will stay all night and discuss with you how much of a goddamn idiot you'd have to be to vote for a democrat.
I am definately funnier than most folks. Hotter too or so all the hot chicks say. Please feel free to come over to Sageville anytime and please opine at will!
I will also agree GM has tits that rank high on the perfect scale, you should see the rest of her. She conservative and of course they are hotter. I mean you have Palin as a Conservative and Janet Reno as a Democrat, of course, smart= sexy. It is always the same.
I have a suggestion for everyone, learn some history, then get some economics and add that to some political understanding and those of us who know all three won't piss ourselves laughing at you.
Mac, my three year old could have said something that made more sense with half his brain tied behind his back. Good God.
I see that Sage already covered everything relevant, so I suppose I won't rehash those details. Too bad he got here before me; my brain is even more amazing than my tits. And you have to admit, that's pretty fucking hot.
Ok Mama and Sage
Here's some History for you. You guys are like, what, 700 quazillion dollars in debt. There aint been one president or party that is fiscally responsible. In other words youre fucked, its just the little matter of how much time it will take. But if it makes you feel any better pretty much every nation in the world is doing it too. Must be Human Nature or something.Sage and Mama, here's another one for you.
"They had a meeting for functional famalies and only 2 showed up, they were both in Denial."
Fact: It took the United States 233 years to amass an $11 trillion national debt. Obama's record large budget deficit of an estimated $1.85 trillion (2009) and his White House's own projections of unparalleled deficits over the next ten years (2010-2019) will double our national debt. This number is estimated by the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office, not Sarah Palin.
That means that it will take this whacko far left America hating moron approximately .04% of the time to accrue the debt the last 43 presidents have accumulated over the course of the last two centuries.
I will admit I'm not a super math whiz, but I find those numbers ever so slightly horrifying. You should too.
So don't give me the "everybody's guilty" bullshit. Obama's assault on this country is unprecedented and dangerous and everybody - conservative, liberal, sex fiend, whomever should be pretty concerned.
Doubling our national debt over the next ten years will almost certainly spell disaster for the US dollar and bond markets and will likely destroy the stock market as well. You think we're in bad shape now? Just wait till this guy digs his mitts in even further.
Soon I won't have to worry about money at all. There won't be anything left to worry about. I should probably go take it all out of the bank, pile it up in my wine cellar, and wait this bullshit out until I need to burn hundred dollar bills to keep my children warm in the winter.
Mama
I agree with you but regardless of who's doing the major drinking now, you still were 11 TRILLION dollars in debt. So you were still a bunch of alcoholics, functional alcoholics maybe, but still fucking drunk. Until its possible to have a party and not drink its just a matter of time before you fry some brain cells. Look in the mirror(neighbourhood and friends) and tell me you arent still drinking.
I have so much to say, but I'm on my phone and I ABHOR trying to type shit out on this little baby
keyboard so you have to wait until I get home. In the meantime, go back and read my comment a couple more times. Specifically the part where I inform you that Obama is on track to singlehanedly accomplish in TEN YEARS what it took the previous 43 presidents OVER TWO CENTURIES to accomplish, accumulate 11 trillion in debt. Just let that sink in.
I told you I was no Clinton fan, Sage. Shit, I'm not even a Democrat. I liked Ron Paul...but that's besides the point.
All one needs do is check facts. It is easy. Clinton balanced the budget and removed the deficit. Bush drove it back up...What the fuck is so hard for you guys to admit about that?
Bush sucked ! Of course, anyone claiming to get leadership cues from a stone aged tribal war god is a moron, if you ask me!
There you have it. I am no more a liberal than you are, Sage. If I were to pin down my philosophy , I'd say I was a Jeffersonian conservative...what ever the fuck that is... I follow the constitution. That's good enough for me.
Bush shit on my Constitution. Remember ""Stop throwing the Constitution in my face. It's just a goddamned piece of paper!" ??
I do, and I will not forget.
TT: The problem is the Dems theory, and they said this out loud, is We have to spend our way out of debt and out of recession"
Yes they said it outloud. The liberals did.
Thats enough proof for most right there to know that they are senseless buffoons.
Just a note the word ver. was:
Wivesets
Do they mean titties?
Mac: Fella, I don't even know where to start. First there was only one time in American history there was zero deficit. Only once. Andrew Jackson had us a zero. Please bro, stay off the cool aid, this is 7th grade social studies stuff. My kid is 11 and she knew that. Did you attend a government school?
You made two misstatements in the same sentence. Clinton did not balance anything. The President does NOT have the authority to do any balancing. Come on bro if you are going to argue PLEASE stay off the talking points and for the love of God or Darwin if you are in direct lineage to apes and vote Democrat, do a little tiny bit of research. Congress has the "Appropriations Committees" They appropriate the monies brought into the treasury through taxation. ALL the president does is suggest a budget then he signs what Congress sends back. 8th grade poly sci. Please go back and see who ran congress when the budget was balanced. NEVER blame or credit the Pres with the economy, that is Always on the congress. Now go back and look to see when the huge recent decline was and who ran congress.
Dude then you make another terrible error. The blog that reported that retracted it. They posted an apology and have long since been gone. It was never said. The left did run with it. But they did have video proof of Obama's adviser screeching Goddamn America.
There were 2 choices this election, neither of them good, one was a war hero one drank kool-aid and loved him a big bellyful of Goddamn America. 2 choices. Easy wasn't it.
I really am trying not to be hateful but damn man come on. This stuff is easy if you'll read and check how the country operates. I am all in for the Constitution and I was NOT a Bush fan but anyone with a scintilla of intellectual honesty and Presidential historical knowledge will gladly tell you Bush looks like G. Washington compared to this ass hat.
This is fishing in a barrel.
OK, Sage.
Let's suppose Bush didn't say that (for the sake of argument?)
What the Patriot act did was shit on the constitution. Yeah, drink some Kool-Aid? (that was a good christian that came up with that plan for ya)
BTW,
No one with one iota of sense actually believes that Humans evolved FROM apes. That dog won't hunt, Sage. Why dontcha get yerself a better angle or insult, whatever.
Thats part of Bush I was against from the jump. Sunshine I don't insult, I just give you the facts. If you believe that liberals don't think humans evolved from apes then there is no help for you.
Thank you for checking your misstatements and submitting my factual replies.
Look thee comes Sage trotting around third, another home run.
Sage
How much do you guys spend monthly fighting a war in Iraq and Afghanistan when the majority of the actual 911 bombers came from Saudi Arabia? Simple fact, not so simple politics considering the obscene love for oil that we westerners have. You talk about fiscal responsibility but like the Indians used to say, "You speak with forked tongue". You didnt hit a home run, you barely bunted and are probably to fat to run to first base to beat the throw.
By the way, you were still in debt 11 TRILLION dollars before Obama came along. How fucked up is that? Loving the buzz I imagine.
I don't how much we spend. It doesn't matter. Obama UPPED the operations. So there is no liberal out there. He quadrupled the debt.
Your argument is so weak it is elementary. Your argument says that because something was already fucked up quadrupling down is ok.
Man with a decent upbringing you'd know just because someone else did it doesn't make it ok.
It must have been a home run, not once has anyone disputed my facts and proved it, not
even
once.
Never fear though, they always try, but in life, unlike liberal childhood games, everyone doesn't get a trophy, just the winner, check my mantle.
:-)
Tit for tat - I agree with almost everything you say. We were in trouble before and neither Reps. nor Dems. have truly decided to work on getting us out. I don't vote on party line. I vote on the lesser of 2 evils. I know that's sad but that's the way it is. I think it will take a TRUE blending of philosophies to accomplish prosperity in the US. Instead of dogging the other side, come to a middle-man understanding. In the small situation we posed the best scenario for the country was a Dem. Pres. and a Rep. Congress. Sounds like a blending to me. I could take the time to dispute the claims by the Reps. on the discussion but what good would it do? We need to find a middle ground and a govt. that is worried less about political lines and more about what's best for this country. I like what GM and SS have to say but it sound more like I'm right and you are not. There is NO FACT that says that's true. So I would more propose a working together than against each other and find the common ground that will make us prosper. This country has been failing its citizens for many, many decades and Reps. and Dems. are BOTH to blame.
On another note... This has been some good debate on both sides. Thanks GM, SS, T4T and all the others that have contributed. This has been fun.
Que: I agree with your thoughts. I vote for the least evil too. What I reference is historical fact and absolute. I am not talking about philosophy. I am talking about what I can easily prove.
You have though called out the liberals. See they live in a world of pie in the sky and theories. Most have never read Rules for Radicals, Marx, or anything along those lines. They have no clue what they are even saying they are. Theory. All unproven. I reference HISTORICAL facts. Not what I think what has actual preceedent. That is the difference.
I refuse to argue theory, I play poker, I NEVER gamble. One is a suckers game the other is based on math and preceedent.
Wow, Sage. You've been delivering some spankings while I've been gone today. Honestly, I don't know why these guys even act like they can come up against you. Unless, of course, they like the spankings? You do seem to make the pain so shivery and delicious. Kinda turns me on a little, quite frankly.
Your argument is so weak it is elementary. Your argument says that because something was already fucked up quadrupling down is ok.(Sage)
No, Im not arguing that. What Im saying is that you were already bleeding to death and it wasnt done just because of a LIBERAL. The fact is it is both Liberals and CONSERVATIVES who bend you over the sink. Your fallacy is that youre right and the other guy is wrong. What ails your nation is simplistic thinking and you have that in spades. Funny thing is, last time I voted, I voted Conservative. I, like you, figured him to be the least fucked up. How pathetic is that? Voting for the least sick individual or party. How refreshing it would be to vote for some health. Unfortunately that doesnt seem to be on the horizon. Did you ever stop to think that maybe Obama got in because Bush was just so damn Sick?
TT: I am not defending Republicans. To equate Bush to a Conservative would be equating Clinton to a Puritan. If Conservative principles (fiscal) were applied the debt, the entitlement mentality, the amount of net loss voters and on and on would be improved. The financial problems we have that are long term are social programs gone bat shit crazy. Social Security, Medic-aid, welfare, etc. When Liberal principles were applied and personal responsibility was taken away the whole deal got fucked up.
See politicians, all parties, buy votes. Sorry people vote for whoever promises them the most. Net Loss voters here will always vote Democrat, not because they are of a liberal mind set but because the Democrats choose to offer them more. More free stuff. Take away the social programs and fiscal problems will go away. This administration is dead set on some Machiavellian effort to prove Keynesian economics and that is the problem today, the genesis of the problem and the on going problem.
See the problem in America with the Democrat/Republican dynamic is that people confuse them with Liberals and conservatives. If people knew they would get a left wing liberal (Obama, Carter, FDR) or a right wing Conservative Washington, Reagan, Madison, Jefferson) they would vote for the Conservative 90 to 10 %. If they are educated and understood the ramifications of voting liberal. They don't and there ya go, we get quadrupled debt in what? 12 minutes?
My point is this. When liberals control the money we lose, in my lifetime the Democrats have only controlled the money once when we had a good economy, that was under the strongest President in my lifetime. That is absolute fact. When the Democrats control the money the economy sucks ass. Debt increases etc etc. That is historical fact, not theory or Utopian bs that Marx and socialists and liberals want to believe.
@SS - That was you best argument on this post. It wasn't bashing. It wasn't demeaning. It was one where I read it and I didn't have to sift through the BS to find what I was looking for. I know you couldn't care less about my buy-in to what you are saying but I agree with you on MOST of that last argument. Here's where I have a problem with both party philosophies. They don't FIX the problem. The Dems want to throw more and more money at the problem. That doesn't work. The Reps want to take more and more money away from great programs that have been perverted and abused by society. That doesn't work either.
I don't think either side does a good job of TEACHING people how to stand up on their own 2 feet. The Dems will keep giving you money to keep you down. But on the other side of that, most Reps believe that the best way to teach someone how to swim is by throwing them into the ocean without ANY kind of flotation device. My personal opinion is that's a HORRIBLE way to TEACH someone.
There's a lot more to this but the short and sweet of it is that I agreed with most of what you said in the previous post.
I came over from gucci I love my Money momma's blog. little late but oh well. Nice to see someone without his head buried ni her tits long enough to realzie her ideas are about as fucked up as it gets. ss did you take a clue from that yet? have you come up for air long enought to see theres another way of doing things besdies chasing the money?
Q: I don't have a problem with that take. Looking a little deeper towards intent though. See the march towards dependence and socialism NEEDS people to not have a way of making it on their own. So if they depend on ANYONE then that person can control them. Reagan turned around a very similar economy (it was worse) than Obama inherited. Now if you were Obama and your goal was to come out of a recession would you do what Reagan did KNOWING it worked like a champ. Or would you do the opposite? He did the Opposite.
Anyway we're square.
MT: I don't take clues. I don't live on theories. I don't eat pie in the sky. So don't give me clues, give me facts you can prove and back up.
Tell me the other ways. Enlighten me. I'll put that challenge out to anyone. Prove it in the American system. Give me historical proof.
I'm waiting MT.
But you will never answer. Because you can't. I only take stands I can back up MT, I don't live in a fantasy world, though I have lived most of my fantasies.
@Southern Sage - Let me pose this one to you. Here is a paragraph from an article I wrote a few years ago. This is in argument to the Reagan idea (keep in mind that Reagan is my 2nd favorite president (only counting those I can remember in my lifetime)).
According to an article in 2004 from Forbes (typically Republican) magazine, Bill Clinton was the MOST prosperous “post-war” President in the last 104 years. I quoted post-war because the article was about post-war Presidents. I assume they chose post-war Presidents because they usually inherit larger economic problems than non-post-war Presidents. The 10 Presidents included 5 Democrats and 5 Republicans. They were Bill Clinton, Lyndon B. Johnson, John F. Kennedy, Ronald Reagan, Gerald R. Ford, Jimmy Carter, Harry S. Truman, Richard M. Nixon, Dwight D. Eisenhower and George H. W. Bush (in order from first to last in prosperity). I wanted to include the names to show that there were some good/great Presidents listed. Again, I’m not going into too much detail but I will show where I got the info to anyone interested. But the important part about the article is that when Clinton took office he inherited a Federal Deficit of $255 Billion from George Bush, Sr. Using this plan, he turned that Federal Deficit into a Federal Surplus of $127 Billion. Also this tax plan didn’t cause companies to fire more people. Conversely, the country celebrated over 18 Million MORE jobs during that time. The unemployment rate dropped from 8% to 4.7%.
I'm not sure mu italics will work but the above paragraph from the article. Now I know you will say that it was a Rep (Newt) Congress. But it wasn't the spending that caused the surplus. It was the tax plan AND the spending. So it was a blending of philosophies that caused this surplus (according to Forbes magazine).
Let me know what you think about that info.
Sorry for the double post. It told me the message was too long and then it posted it anyway! :)
It told me that on the last few long ones I wrote too. I copy and paste them now if they are long.
But see the President is only really in charge of foreign policy. He sets the tone for foreign policy. The first 2 years of Clinton (Dem Congress) was a financial nightmare, much like the last 2 years of Bush 2 (Dem Congress), the parallels are strikingly similar. Bush 1 was a weak president, though in my lifetime said to be the most intelligent. He just wasn't in for the fight like Reagan was.
Congress is over the economy. I don't disagree with their assessment but they are giving too much credit (and often give too much blame) to whoever is president. This is a HUGE mistake to make. The President appoints people to make decisions and appoint judges, the congress runs the economy and everything else realy.
Clinton was getting hammered in the polls and with all things public, I'm 38 years old, the ONLY time congress changed after the first 2 years of a presidential term was Clinton. I mean Bush, who if you believe the media, held his congress 6 years! So Clinton was backed in a corner if he wanted to be a two term president. You should read Dick Morris' books. He was the top adviser to Clinton during his presidency. I don't hate Clinton, at all. Reagan came in when the country was teetering on collapse for real. He was a very strong personality and could force his will. If you break it all down Bush (W) and Clinton were nearly identical in their views. Now do the same between Reagan and Obama. Now you see where I am on things.
But yes I can agree that Clinton was president when the economy was good, and the direction the country was going in when Newt took over he SHOULD have let him run it, and he did and all was well. But yes he was president at a time of economic prosperity.
Wow! M.T., you found your way over here too, hmm? You're just hitting up everyone who can't get enough of my tits today, hmm? I've seen you around a little bit. I just checked my stats (hey, you live just a couple hours from where I grew up! Fascinating!) and I see you've buried your head in my tits 247 times in the last month. That suggests to me that maybe you're not as repulsed by me as you claim.
I have read and reread the nonsense you've left here and at my place and I really don't know how to argue with you because there is one thing I'm just not good at. I admit it. I cannot rationalize the irrational. And you, love, are completely irrational. Nothing you say makes any sense. My intelligence is off the charts, but damn me if I don't need to read your comments like six times to try to decipher your meaning. So until you figure out how to speak with substance, perhaps add a little meaning behind your words, I just don't think we can dance.
I'm happy to have a discussion with you. I'm happy to set your little mind straight on a lot of matters. But until you stop being such a douche, there will be no burying your head in my tits. Sorry baby.
Plus, let me just add before I run out to buy some patriotic shit to balance on my tits for tomorrow's brilliance over at my place, Tat is the only one who gets to bury his head in my tits because he's the only one of you who spells my goddamn name right. One 'm' in the middle. No 'o'. MAMA. Drives me insane when you get it wrong. That is all.
Facts? please. you dont know anymore facts than a neanderthal. maybe cause you are one ss.
Heres a fact. you bash on carter all the time. fact is he has hte best human rights record of any pres in history. He wasnt money obsessed like you and gucci. THATS what we need. a pres that cares about theb people and that will help the people.
if we had a pres who changed teh focus from money to humanity we wouldnt have so many problems.
well this one is important,There are children who are being virtual slaves. And were being beaten mercilessly by police. for protesting working conditions. They work as garment manufacturers for top western retailers which prob. include where you and gucci shop. Lord, help us all! And I must add: That breaks my heart and angers me beyond words and this is all our fault. F***** capitalism I abhor you and everone who feeds the monster.
I'm conservative all around (personal and work life).
Hey, I have an award for you. So stop by and pick it up.
Ach, you call me by the wrong name and throw away our love. How's my heart taste, Titty Tat? You've chewed it up and spit it out. Siiiigh.
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